Um I wanna welcome everyone today to our session on transformational mentorship. We are having a few moments of technical difficulty with some of our panelists, but we're gonna kind of work through that as we introduce some of the panelists and go from there.I'm gonna start with, I'm Shelley Brunswick, the Chief operating Officer of Space Foundation and I am so honored to join you today and get to serve in the role of moderator and host for this panel. Um Some of our other panelists are having technical difficulties. So what I'm gonna do is introduce uh Madiha. So she'll be uh give me one minute. So here we go. So I'm gonna introduce Madiha Khan Yaf Sai. She's a mentor trainer, consultant and coach Marija facilitates you in creating a career in life, you love and you deserve. She has 12 years of experience working in the software project management industry with key focuses on people empowerment by assuming roles of mentor, trainer, consultant and coach. She has hundreds of clients across the globe working in the world's best companies to include the Fortune 500.

Some of her key domains are agile mindset and culture Scrum framework, software project management, personal and professional excellence, mindset, transformation, neuro, linguistic programming, and timeline therapy. Well, thank you Marty for joining us. And would you please provide your opening statement?

Thank you so much, Shelley and thanks everyone and hello to everyone who has joined us from all over the world for Women in Tech Global Conference. I already have joined it for last day since it has been started and I'm reading everyone comments and seeing that how much impact it is making for me. This is like my third year of joining and I am honored to be here and this topic is very close to my heart uh transformation, mentoring because this is with like, you know, my favorite mantra which I live by that we rise together and we rise by lifting others.

Well, thank you, Marie, I appreciate that. So Lee, I think you have close captioning on. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna introduce you and then have you give your opening statement? So for our audience, we are having some technical difficulties. So Lee is not able to hear us, but she does have close captioning on. So hopefully she'll be able to catch this and then provide her opening statement. And then we're working with Tiwana who doesn't seem to have access to be a presenter at the moment. So always, always an interesting moment. But with that, I'd like to introduce Lee Steinke, Chief Operating Officer of CIS Lunar Industries and a strategic advisor for the aerospace defense and energy sector. As a scientist and executive, she has led multidisciplinary teams that added over a billion dollars in value through turnaround of failing industry processes through uh contributions to the success of major acquisitions and divestitures and through operational and technical improvements. Uh deter from engineering science and data analytics.

Lee has chaired an advisory board is well published on a variety of technical topics and speaks at global events across the industries. So I see while I was introducing Lee dropped off to maybe refresh. So what I'm gonna do is let me come back and ask Maddie a question uh as we work through this. So Madie, let me ask you a question about what does transformational mentorship mean to you?

OK. So for me, transformation mentoring is that first of all, it's like a two way connection and communication to learn and grow together and to see that how like, you know, we can meet our goals, fantasy, the difference as well, which is measurable. Yeah.

Fantastic. Thank you so much. So we do have one of our amazing panelists on Tawana. Can you hear us?

Yes, I'm so glad I finally figured this out.

Not a problem. So let me introduce Tawana Yazi. So Tawana is a United Nations Office of Outer Space Affairs, Space for Women protege and International in of Space law member and a student, helicopter pilot. She has two recent publications in the fields of space, law and policy and has had several meetings on both Capitol Hill and the White House about her publications, Tiwana plans to attend law school this fall Tawana. Welcome to the show and we'd love to have your opening statement.

Thank you so much for the introduction, Shelley and thank you women tech network for uh you know, creating this opportunity for strong ambitious wo women in various sectors. As Shelley briefly mentioned, I had two recent publications. One of them being uh a journal publication entitled a proposal for the usage of reconnaissance satellites to monitor international human and wildlife trafficking hotspots published in the Journal Act, a astronaut on March 4th 2022. I've given various presentations on my research and I'm currently working with the government and the private sector to make this proposal a reality initially on a national scale and then internationally. So I started out in the space sector during COVID not an easy time to establish yourself and get to know people in the sector with most everything being virtual, especially, right? When I finished university a year early and was working to finish my two year masters a year early as well as someone who knew exactly what I wanted to pursue within the sector. It was very important for me to find the right mentors within the sector so that I was aware of all sorts of opportunities and could take advantage of them all to quickly start to establish myself within the sector.

So I'm really excited to share my perspective and advice on good mentor and mentor relationships with you all today.

Fantastic. Well, thank you, Tawana and Lee. I see you've joined us. Can you hear us? OK. I think Lee still might be having some technical difficulties. So Tawana, let me ask you a question. What does transformational mentoring mean to you?

To me transform uh transformational mentoring means a long term commitment from both the mentor and the mentee that stems from the mentors, taking the time to truly get to know the personality talents, values, passions and dreams of the mentee and then blossoms into the mentor, guiding the mentee in pursuing these goals in the best and most meaningful way possible.

Fantastic. I love your insight. Let me ask you, Matty. Um I wanna go back to a basic question cause I know uh we have a very uh international panel today. So we're so fortunate. So it's international, interdisciplinary global leaders. So Matty, tell us a little bit about your journey and how did you end where you are now?

All right. Sure. And here I would like to first reflect back what Tana has uh shared and to basically reinforce this, that your mentor and mentee shall be aligned around the vision around the values and also the personality type because once it's all together, only then you can uh reap the fruits out of this uh perfect mentorship relation.

So for me, where I am uh today is of course the support of all the people who are around me. And, and yet so many mentors I will say like, you know, some were directly mentoring me and some were indirectly mentoring me in a way that they were able to see some potential in me and then to guide me accordingly. And this is important because once we are very uh observant uh for people around us that what is the potential in them? Because sometimes like this is one of the favorite quotes by Bob Proctor as well that sometimes like, you know, men, he wouldn't be seeing what is their potential. And then mentor will be the one who is going to facilitate that and then to uh like, you know, help you towards your growth. So for me, in terms of my journey, um I, I was having support of multiple people and then like for me, it was important that what I want to do in my life.

So being self-aware about my own personality, that uh what is like, you know, what are the terms which are negotiable for me as a person? And what are my personal traits which I will love to keep them as it is, or let's say my areas of strength, which I want to polish further and what are the improvement areas? Because every human has always something in their life which they want to improve on whether it's your health, whether it's your career, it's your relationship. It's your like, you know, your own inner talk that how, how aware you are about your own self. So that was, that was like, you know what I was navigating through and thanks to internet as well, all the social media as well that like, you know, I knew that how I want to use it because it is our choice and it is in our control that how we can use it and all the people right now here we, we were connected thanks to linkedin as well that we knew that, OK, how we can utilize this?

And I want to let the audience know that I know Shelley through women in tech Global Conference itself and their network that you can reach out to the mentors. So I want to give a shout out to Enna and the whole team behind this conference that they enabled these platforms that where we can look for the mentors and mentors can also choose that who will be their mentor because again, it's two ways. So yes, Shelley, this has helped me and being a learner is something like you know that I am. I choose to be a learner all my life. So this has helped me to develop where I am. And for me, one thing because I belong to emerging country, I like, you know, I'm a Pakistan National born and brought up there. And yes, like, you know, when we belong to a country, which is a developing country. So then there are, it's a lot of opportunities to grow. Some people will be seeing the perspective that ok in my country, there are so many problems and but we see those problems as the opportunities because problems, the problem and this is what kept me growing and to keep working hard that ok, like if I'm facing some problem, I'm unstoppable.

So I am going to turn that problem into a solution. And this is what my life journey has been that uh today, wherever I am, it took me like, you know, certain years of turning some po some impossible dimensions which I was facing given in the region I was living into in terms of the education, in terms of the exposure and travel as well.

But then thanks to again, internet that I was able to connect globally with the people and to learn from them and to turn those impossible dimensions into possible. And for me, this is like, you know, something which I cherish for my life and for others because uh like all it took me the last five years to do that and then I'm able to save five years for my generation.

Fantastic. Thank you, Marty Lee. Can you hear us? Fantastic. Fantastic, Lee. I have introduced you Lee. So if you would like to do your opening statement I'd like to turn the floor over to you and then doctor Wooi has been able to join us. So, Doctor Wooi, you'll be next. So Lee, the floor is

yours? Sorry, I can't tell if I'm interrupting you because I'm reading after the fact. But um I, I wanna thank you Shelly for inviting me to be on this panel. It's an honor to be alongside Madiha Tuana. Um And thank Women Tech Network as well. Uh In my career, I've been involved in both formal and informal mentoring relationships and I want to emphasize today that there are all kinds of mentors. There are the ones you choose, the ones you are assigned. They are the ones who know you, they are your mentors and those you've selected to watch, uh I treated both good and bad leaders as mentors because you can sometimes learn as much from watching bad decisions as good ones. And then there are mentors who just give advice. Uh There are those who energize and enable you through inspiration and encouragement and those ones make you feel like you can just take on the world. Uh And then there are mentors who push you with a good kick in the pants when you really need it. Sometimes we do. Um I even had one mentee. I later had to fire and he reached out to me two years later to thank me for it and say that he had become a better leader because of that. Um There are mentors who become champions and influence others to give you opportunities, which is very important in a career. And there are mentors who become the ultimate champion by putting you directly in jobs themselves. Anytime someone hires you, they're being a champion for you.

So even if you don't like your new boss, they just did you a great service in mentorship by giving you an opportunity. Um look for champions in your group of mentors. Because in one corporate leadership class, I had the opportunity to take. We learned that women get many, many opportunities for mentorship, but it is much more rare for women to convert those mentors into champions. And I think that's really fundamental to our career successes. Um There are also mentors who have very little impact. I was once assigned a mentor for an entire year, an executive with whom I could have lunch every single month, which I did. And all I remember was that every month, he commented how cool it was that I didn't order a salad because women always order salads and he couldn't believe I ordered a steak or a burger. So not every mentoring interaction that you put energy into will yield something back, but you can always learn something about what not to do. Uh So my messages are just to be flexible in what you interpret as mentorship, be a mentor, as well as a mentee and work on converting your mentors into champions.

Thank you, Lee. I know you can't hear us, but you will read this in a moment. So next, I would like to introduce our next Panelist, Doctor Wui Alabi Wui is a technical deputy director and head of the Space Applications at the UN affiliated African Regional Center for Space Science and Technology Education in English, Nigeria. She is a passionate educator and is active in space education outreach programs, promoting the interests of girls, school Children and teachers in Space Science. She is the founder of the Talbot Initiative for Girls in Science, a mentorship program designed to promote the participation of African girls in the Physics Science. So welcome, Doctor Wui. I welcome you to provide your opening statement for our, for our discussion today.

Thank you so much. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? We can hear you. I would like to start by thanking Shirley for inviting me to join this program. It's my first time to be on a program like this and I feel really honored. Thank you so much. Um Most of my mentors that I've had in my professional life, there have been men because I find myself in a male dominated field. So that's why I see myself as a peace setter. And I'm passionate about being a role model and a mentor to attract and encourage females to the space sector in Africa. Thank you.

Thank you so much. You're amazing. You're a pro it's like you've been doing this forever.

Oh, thank you.

So, what I'd like to do, Lee, I know you're reading the closed caption. I'd, I'd like to ask you to share with us one of your most impactful mentoring events.

I,

yeah, so I don't think she's seeing the closed captioning. So, what I'm gonna do is uh I'm gonna go with, I'm gonna move on to Doctor Wy. Let me ask you about, would you share more with us about the Talbot Initiative for Girls In Science and the Mentoring program?

All right. Um When I completed my doctoral degree from the University of Missouri Kansas City in 2010, I returned to Nigeria to work as the head of the Space Education Outreach Program of Ash T. And I saw that there was a need to attract more women in the physical science fields. So I created a nonprofit organization to address just that need. And I named it after my friend and mentor Dr Linda Talbot of Blessed Memory. The Talbot initiative for Girls in Science started off as a coaching program that provided classes in maths and physics for Nigerian girls enrolled in public secondary schools in a rural community. The girls received mentoring help in developing problem solving skills and exposure to career opportunities in the physical sciences. Classes, classes were offered at no cost to the students, enabling them, enabling those who don't have the resources to pay for lessons beyond what is offered in public schools and also to get supplemental support and training. One of these girls who enrolled for Mathematics at the Federal University of Technology, that's a university in Nigeria. She's currently a final year student and because of her superior academic performance she enjoyed and she still enjoying the takes fellowship to support our study.

So all I'm out to do is just to look for brilliant girls who have the capability to do well in the physical sciences, encourage them and mentor them to go into careers in the physical sciences. Thank you.

All right. What I'm gonna do is I'm going to send a text to Lee to let

her know it's time to go. I think we're ready. My close caption has a little bit of a delay when I think about impact. We're talking about one of my most impactful mentoring events when I think about impact, I think about reaching more people. Um And I once had a really special opportunity to design a mentorship program in a corporate environment where I knew hundreds of people personally. It was wonderful because I got a small team together and we sat down and made mentor mentee matches by hand two. At a time, we took a survey of what people were looking for to Medina's earlier point, uh looking for in the relationship. And we use those answers along with our knowledge of people's personality traits, interests, career goals and challenges and experience to make the matches.

We literally locked ourselves in a room for two solid days and came out with these inspired pairings that we were so excited about and I think there were about 100 pairings. So 200 people, um and these people were going to be put together for an entire year. Uh So it was important that we got this one right? And we, when we revealed the pairings, many people were thrilled with who they got and they were, you know, ran off and started right away and others were quite unhappy. And the funny thing was that we knew in advance who would be unhappy because we had purposely chosen a tough pairing for them for a reason. We might have thought that they needed a kick in the pants or they needed practice in getting to know someone well who was really a challenge to work with. So, so, you know, we put them with somebody tough so that they could get that practice over the course of a year in building a relationship with somebody who may not just immediately click with you. Um And so I'd say that was certainly one of my uh most fun and uh impactful mentoring experiences.

Fantastic. Thank you, Lee. I know you're gonna get this in closed caption in a moment. What I'd like to do is move on to Tijuana for a moment and ask you cause I, by the way, so I have many of the individuals on the panel are mentors and have been proteges and some have been proteges and then mentors. So Tiwana, you have a, you're coming at this from the other angle. Why did you decide to apply for a formal mentoring program? And what was your criteria for selecting a mentor?

So I decided to apply for a formal mentoring program last year because as I mentioned, I got into the space sector during COVID time and wanted guidance from established individuals in the sector to help me quickly reach certain goals. However, you don't necessarily have to apply for a formal mentoring program. You can always have informal mentors as well as Lee mentioned, I have a number of mentors in different sectors. For example, for animal welfare, Professor Peter Singer, who is a professor of bioethics at both Princeton and Melbourne University is my mentor. Even within the space sector, I have multiple mentors. For example, for Space Law, I have a mentor in the US and in Europe, I applied for a formal mentoring program with U Nusa Space for Women and have been working with Shelley who helps me more in the entrepreneurship and business side of the sector. Shelley and I have a strong menty mentor relationship because I already focused on what I wanted to pursue in the future. After writing, my journal publication had come into the mentorship program, very prepared knowing exactly what I wanted out of it. And Shelley really took the time to understand me and my work before presenting me with certain opportunities. So it's been really great working with you, Shelley.

Well, thank you. That wasn't uh it's a great opportunity because there are many mentoring programs. Um Obviously women tech network has an amazing program. Uh The United Nations Office of Outer Space Affairs, Space for Women has a program. You also have Space Generation Advisory Council and there are many others at Incubators and Accelerators for Entrepreneurs. So I ask all of you, uh you know, you can not only be a mentor, but you can find a mentor and you can be mentored at any stage in your career and you can also be a mentor at any stage in your career. So uh Marty, I wanna pivot back to you um in your bio, you talk about an agile mindset and culture. What is an agile mindset and culture? Could you share that with our audience?

Sure, please. I would love to. So agility is everything that we adjust to the changes and adapt to those changes and the way like, you know, we are in 21st century and especially like, you know, if we are living into our country, which is like highly uh tech savvy, so then we can see that OK, like there are so many things which have become part of our daily life.

And even though the way Lee was mentioning earlier that they did they spent two days to manually matching and doing the pairing for mentors and mentees. So now thanks to so many um like interesting tools and especially cognitive base, which are going to, which are the clearing of the mentor and based on the data which they have entered into those portals. So, so this is um let's say one example that OK, we have become agile and then agile is everything like, you know, having the growth mindset that you keep learning, you keep learning new things and then you want to, you are willing to try new things as well because I, I recently met some people and uh then I, then I asked them that, have you traveled, have you traveled in your own country?

They told me that, no, we have not done it. And then last day, I was having this discussion with someone that you're going to see that how many of the 7.7 billion population loves to travel. So I think that will be maximum 5 to 10% because I have met so many people in my countries and other countries because I have traveled half of the world. Now, I can say that. So then I will be asking people that, have you seen your own city? And then they will say no, we never thought of it. So why not? And then in terms of learning again, it's like, you know that what we want to do in our life and people having the agile mindset is that you keep going on and you keep growing on in different ways. Like, you know, that can be as a person that can be as a professional. And then also to see that, OK, like, you know what you are learning from the environment and what you are giving back as well. So that is what makes a person like having this uh growth mindset and the H I mindset.

Fantastic. Thank you so much. Now, Doctor W me, I wanna pivot back to you because you are a United Nations Office of Outer Space Affairs Space for women mentor. And I wanted to ask what have been some of your observations and key insights on creating that successful mentoring relationship

um to create a successful mentorship relationship. I believe that it's necessary for you to provide guidance and then allow the mentee to observe their strength, map up their own pathway and strive to be the very best they can be in their professional arena so that they can mentor other people. So some of the things that we do with the girls, I'm mentoring is I make sure they have clearly defined goals and then we break the goal into piecemeal with specified timelines and they become accountable to me or to whoever is mentoring them. And if they can trust you and they see you as a role model, it makes it a lot easier. I'll just give you an example. One of the ladies are mentoring. Our goal was to go for a phd program. So the first thing was you need to identify the school, you need to register and enroll. And we within a period of six months, she was able to identify the school. She got a supervisor and she's currently a phd student. So that's what I mean by breaking the goal into piecemeal and then every month I meet with them to ask, have you been able to, they will tell me at the end of this month, I should be able to do this.

So we meet and then they are accountable to me to let me know whether they were able to accomplish what they said they would accomplish. And this way we are able to move and they are progressing in their professional life. So in short, they should have clearly defined goals, break it into piecemeal and be accountable to whoever is mentoring them. Those are the key things that I have found very useful. Thank you.

Thank you, Dr Wu me. I appreciate that. I'm now turning it over.

I want to tell a story about an early career experience. So I was doing an internship at a nonprofit while I was getting my MB A and I chose it because I was passionate about nonprofits. And I got to meet with several nonprofit leaders in the Atlanta area that summer, every single one of them took me aside and told me that I should go into a pro for profit field instead and provide support for nonprofits through donating and volunteering and whatever other serving on boards.

And then that later on in my career, I could choose to have more impact by stepping into a nonprofit with that business experience, as well as a little more financial security to have the flexibility for finding ways to give back. And I am so, so grateful for that advice and I took it. Um you know, I, I went into a long career as a scientist and executive. And then when I had a special opportunity um to, to dip into nonprofit again, I had this wonderful opportunity with space foundation. Um and Shelley championed me and uh I've had a wonderful experience and, and it's feels really good to be able to contribute something that, you know, there's less of in the organization because of my business background. So it's just been a wonderful experience. Uh The second great piece of advice I want to talk about is is that a career is made in uncomfortable moments? So I think that we as, as women and, and even as technical women, sometimes we, we just want the value of our work to speak for itself. Uh We have confidence in that we know what we can do. Um And we work really hard but avoiding those comfortable moments where you put yourself in front of people or you challenge someone in leadership. Um You, you ask for something that you don't want to ask for.

Um can really be the difference between a, a big career leap and just little trudging steps for the whole time, right? We need to step out and, and get others to recognize what we're doing. They won't always see it for themselves.

Thank you, Lee. I, I know. So for those of you who are joining us late Lee's audio is not working, she cannot hear us. She's using closed caption, but we are, we are adaptable and we're moving forward. So Tawana, I wanted to ask you, what advice do you recommend to others in finding a mentor?

So I would like to share a few pieces of advice with people who would like to find the right mention for them. A good mentor listens and accepts the mentee for exactly the unique and individual that unique individual that they are and helps to shine light on that uniqueness. And not every successful individual will be a good mentor. An ideal mentor for me is someone who has the ability to accept where I currently am in my professional development by remembering what it was like when they first started out in their field, they need to build that connection with me by listening and understanding me as a person and guiding me in the right direction by helping me architect my own path within the sector.

Like I said, not all successful individuals can have this empathy towards someone starting out in their career and you need to put everything aside and ask yourself, will this person have my best interests at heart? And if not, don't be afraid to turn around and find someone else, be very, very honest with yourself when finding a mentor and look for these details because the difference between the right and wrong mentor for you can really make or sell your career.

Thank you to Juanna. That's fantastic. I love that. And since we're talking about mentoring and programs, Marie, let me pivot back to you. You have been a mentor and a protege for women tech networks mentoring program. So what has been your experience? And obviously, you know, I'm part of the program too. I think it's amazing. But I'd love for, for you to share with our audience what that experience has been like and how do we get more women and men to become both mentors and proteges?

Sure. So in terms of that, for me, this experience has been great and of course, like, you know, the key and essence is that it has been two ways that I am reaching out to my mentor and my mentor is also reaching out to me at times. And because we both know that at like, you know, it's in the best interest for me that my mentor wants me to grow. But then is it me who is also taking that as a mentee on one side and because like being a mentor to other people, this is what I have seen that. Like, you know, sometimes if we are asking our mentee that take this action, so are they committing to them or not? And is it then like, you know, it's about that, are they committed to their self? Because the the mentor can give, give you a suggestion, mentor can guide you. But is it you as a mentee who is taking the action or not? And my suggestion to all men and women who are watching us or who are going to watch us later? Uh So that look out for this, that you can always find someone and rather you are doing everything at your own. Why don't you reach out for some help and consulting by asking other people to guide you?

And it is, it is definitely essential that you are having a good mentor and then you shall have the courage the way Tawana has shared. So Tawana, you literally have spoken, you know, the golden nuggets out of this mentoring relation that you shall be honest, that are you getting the value which you wanted? And is it the right mentor? Maybe this mentor is too good in terms of their domain. But if that is not aligned with your own goals, then you shall be uh ready to speak about it and then to look for other mentors. And it's always good to have, let's say, uh on average 3 to 5 mentors or consultants in your life at any given time because then you will be uh having different perspective. So, on one hand, I'm a mentor too many. On other hand, I'm a mentee and I have chosen my mentors very uh wisely and specifically and even like one of the mentors, uh I would like to share that three years back, I was having someone as my mentor and then that that person was never punctual actually for our reason. And for me, punctuality is great and it is part of my core as a person. I went. So that is something I will never negotiate. So then I told my mentor that I am sorry, you are not punctual.

So whatever you are committing, you are not showing up on time. So then I am sorry, we wouldn't be working together. And now three years fast forward. So then we were like, you know, in contact, but there was no more mentoring relation. And then this year when I was doing my tech women Fellowship, so I got the message and then he was able to appreciate me. He was open to appreciate my journey that I am glad to see where you are. And uh yes, so if even that person was having the grace to accept that feedback and we are still in contact that OK, we can share like you know, we can guide each other. But yes, that mentor can be like, you know, uh hand holding you because there are the differences on the values.

Thank you. What I'm gonna do right now. We have four minutes left. First, I want to take a picture of everyone. So please smile. So we'll be able to post this on social media. Fantastic. So with four minutes, I'm gonna give each of you a minute to kind of do a closing statement on what's the one message you want to share with our audience today? Doctor Wy, I'll start with you.

Well, the most important thing I would like to share with the audience is that if you find yourself in a, in an opportunity to mentor other people, make sure you allow them to grow, to be who they are. Don't try to um coerce them to follow your pathway, identify their strength and encourage them to develop that strength and then you promote them to chart their own path. That's the most important message I would want to leave for the audience today. Thank you.

Thank you, Doctor W me. And I'm I sent the question to Lee. So Lee, can you share the

question? Um So of the things I said and some things that we didn't get to be a mentor for others as well as a mentee to others um take on the uncomfortable moments that help make your career uh use bad mentorship and examples as an opportunity to learn lessons about what behavior to avoid and emphasize.

I want to emphasize that sometimes mentoring advice can take years to sink in. I am just now applying advice that I got in high school uh because I'm just getting to a point where I realized what it meant and can begin to apply it. So keep, keep the advice that you've gotten in your mind and try to try to remember it and, and work through it and find opportunities to apply it in your life. And finally, and perhaps most important challenge, your mentors to become champions, champions. Thank you so much for having me on the

panel. Thank you, Lee Marty over to you. What's your one message you wanna share with our audience today?

Sure, I would love to, I want uh to let everyone know that please always follow your passion because you are given one life and it is worth living. The journey wouldn't be easy at all, but it is worth it. So you, you shall be ready to face the challenges and go through them because you grow out of it. And then nothing is impossible. If anything is I if if anything is impossible or limited, that is only in your mind because you do not know how much capacity your human mind is having uh till you keep exploring the limits. And then there is no limit of human mind that it is capable of doing it. So even the sky is not the limit, it is beyond that. So if it's, it's all in your own hands and it's the choices that you make that you can learn and grow and you can become who you want to be. It can take years, but eventually you will do it. So that the process.

Thank you, Mari and Towa, you get the last word with. What's your one message you want to share with our audience today?

The one message I would like to share with you all is for you to empower one another. Each sector needs more diverse and unique individuals. And unfortunately, most sectors don't recognize or provide the right amount of help and resources for this to happen. Therefore, I urge you to fight for your rightful place in these sectors and to utilize your power for good. You can't achieve everything by yourself. At the end of the day, you will need the help and support of others. Therefore, it doesn't matter. At what point you are in your career, you can always help guide and empower others. We can only achieve big things and bring more good into this world with powerful and meaningful teamwork. Thank you.

Thank you so much. We are out of time but we are going to post question and answers on linkedin. So you will be able to one women tech network we anticipate will release this uh se in the future but we will also follow up with this. You'll see our picture and we'll add Q and A in the, in the link so that you can get some more information or continue to ask questions of our amazing panelists today. I wanna thank you all and I wanna thank Women Tech Network for making this event possible. Wishing you all a fabulous day and an amazing weekend. And let's change the world one step at a time by working together.