Let's still keep our mood positive. We manage to connect who it's about overcoming challenges, right?

That is the theme for 2020. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah, I believe so. OK. OK. We must be live. Say something in the chat. Everyone who's listening to us, thanks for waiting for us and hello everyone and welcome to the series of Fireside Chat by Women Tech Network. We are inviting phenomenal and outstanding women to inspire and empower you to grow professionally. And today we have a special guest, Alexandria Noel Butler, affectionately known as Lexi B is considered one of the Silicon Valley's Candid and most prominent voices. Her thought provoking advice and opinions on how to create a more equitable work uh environment stem from her own experiences working in some of the most popular tech companies. Lexi B founded sister circle black women in tech, a community that supports black women in tech uh companies and related professions. Lexi's main mission is to inspire people to create their desired lives by journey, by uh understanding the purpose and life goals. In her own words, people deserve to live the life that caters to their strength and passions. Hi, Lexi and welcome.

Hi, thank you. And so sorry about all the technical issues.

No worries. And I had uh issues uh in the beginning on my side. But

what's hi is like a microcosm of 2020. Yeah,

I think we we received, you know what was very fascinating. I saw people actually kept staying at the number of people. Yeah, and the number of people like didn't really change, I think, and maybe one person tried maybe to reconnect to see if I think more people are joining at the moment. So this is really cool and thanks everyone for waiting for us, for your supportive comments in the chat, for understanding everything. We are really, really happy to have you with us. Uh And you know the drill whenever you hear us, something that resonates with you or you have any questions, let us know in the chat or in the comments. If you won't be able to take all of your questions because I'm sure you're going to have based on the amount of people we have, we're going to have lots of questions. Uh What is the best way to follow up with you if people have questions? Lexi

probably linkedin,

linkedin. OK. We'll drop also. Uh we, we actually uh pinned your linkedin here in the chat 30 38 minutes ago. So people could, could have found already you and yeah, so let's get started and like you have this really cool uh today men's topic is career growth and career branding. And I was super impressed with your career, but I want to start with, you know, I want us to travel back in times when you were a child. What do you want? What did you want to be when you grew up

when I was a kid? I wanted to be Whitney Houston. That's what I wanted to be when I grew up. Very, very candid. And um it's funny because I actually did a lot of singing a lot of dancing. So it wasn't this like ethereal goal of like, oh, I don't have the talents, but I want to be Whitney Houston. It was very much like I was really building um this life and this career to go into entertainment. And then at around 1617 years old, I had a midlife crisis and I was like, I don't want to do this anymore. Um But that's what happened. Yeah,

I didn't know that you were into singing. You know, that's very interesting. Um You know, you call yourself a freedom fighter and I think you truly are based on all of your talks that you have delivered. And I recall how masterful you delivered. Actually a talk at Women Tech Global Conference 2020. And it still gives me goose bumps like the energies that you created and you actually managed to deliver it without any slides for the first time that you shared. And it was really, really awesome. So my question is how, how did you discover your true power to influence other people, people with uh public speaking and

storytelling? Honestly, I think it goes back to the first question. So growing up, um my, my mom heard me singing in the shower and I think like many, many Children, your parents put you in dance classes and like movement classes. I was already involved in that and my mom heard me singing in the shower and she was like, we should do something with that. So at a very young age when most kids were, you know, going to school and then playing outside after school, I was going to school and going to dance classes and going to auditions and going to theater rehearsals. And so it was really ingrained in me very early that there's something about a stage, there's something about how you handle yourself on a stage. So it's funny because a lot of people always ask me, you know, um how did you learn this trait of public speaking? And I really can't give you a specific response. I just know just like any sports player, any football player, any tennis player, how they learned at a very young age. I do not remember a time when I was not on a now I wasn't, I was singing and dancing.

But the whole idea of being on a stage and understanding stage presence, understanding how to connect with an audience understanding how to tell a story I've been doing since I was four or five years old. Wow.

Cool. Yeah, it's like it means that you felt comfortable on the stage, right? You like the energy you like how you can influence people from the stage,

right? Yes. Yes. Yes. Which is great because I'm actually very socially awkward and very much an introvert when I'm off stage. So, the persona, you interesting,

interesting. Um, you know, you studied at Stanford, a dream University of many. What were some of the most important lessons you learned there?

Um, I, I would say the biggest, one of the biggest lessons that I learned was actually as I applied to go to Stanford, which was, I remember I was applying to go to Stanford. I'm originally from Saint Louis, Missouri for folks who don't know Saint Louis is a city in the middle of America. I remember going to school and telling people that I wanted to go to Stanford and in the American education system, usually you start having these conversations, um, in your second to last year of high school of that age of 1617 years old, it takes about a year to do and application process for college in the US.

And I had students, I had teachers who told me I couldn't do it even though I had the grades. Um, even though I worked really hard to obtain these grades and I worked really hard to get the right test scores. And I remember I came home and I just was crying to my parents and I was like, I, I can't go to Stanford because everyone told me that I couldn't go. And at that moment, my parents were very concerned because you were a kid growing up on a stage. I've been told no, my whole life, I always joke with people and I'm like, I'm the easiest person to get feedback to because it's probably nothing you can say to me that I number one have not heard or number two is gonna hurt my feelings when you are 13 years old on a Broadway stage and you have to dance with adults, they don't mince words.

So I've heard some pretty crazy things um about me or people perceiving to me my whole life for good or for bad. And so my parents were very conflicted because they were like you are used to hearing people tell you you can't do things and you do them. So why in this space is this crazy to you? Why, why, why, why are you internalizing this? And I still don't have the answer for it. And at that moment, it was my parents' goal to get me into Stanford because they decided that even if you don't go, you gonna do all this work just because other people told you you couldn't. And that was a huge lesson for me that I still keep with me is that 15 years ago, everyone told me that I couldn't get into college and I worked my booty off to get in and, and with the help and a beautiful support system, I did it and went to the school of my dreams. And I remember at 1819 years old as I did internships, I was like, oh, I can do anything. Right. If these racist people in Saint Louis said that I couldn't get into college, not even Stanford, just college in general. And I went to Stanford. There's really nothing you can do to stop me. And so I think having that mentality as an adult, every time a door closes, I'm either gonna burn it down or I'm just gonna find the door that opens.

And then I also think when I went to Stanford, the biggest lesson was I learned how to dream. People, teach people to dream. We, we teach Children to dream and then somewhere as they get older, we tell them to stop dreaming. And Stanford really taught me to dream. I remember going to Stanford and meeting all of these people from all over the world and having really interesting conversation about what they're interested in and then also what their parents do. I always tell people when you meet people, ask them where they come from, right?

So I would meet somebody and they would say, yeah, I want to be a doctor and then I'd find out that, oh, their mom was the chief marketing chief marketing officer for Nestle, right? And coming from Saint Louis, I never met a chief marketing officer for a chocolate company. Right? Um And so learning about these opportunities that I could do because I saw someone do it and this, this idea of dreaming and that's what Stanford gave back to me that I think is stolen from many people's childhoods. Is this opportunity to really look at the world and say no, I actually really can do anything because anything is available to me. And even though I grew up in a household where I was told all the time, I can be anything and do anything coming from Saint Louis. I didn't see everything on ground, right? So you can be told you can do everything. But if you don't physically see it on the ground, um then that may not be obtainable to you.

And at Stanford, it was very much like no, like you could actually go run the department of the op I Nail Lior company that just names like names, the names of Nail Polish, right? Like I met somebody at Stanford who's aunt did that. I was like, that's a job, right? Like, oh no, you could actually go cure cancer or like you could actually, I'm a race car driver and that was really cool to me was not only to hear it again over and over, but then to see it physically. And that was really

awesome. Wow. That sounds like life changing. And I'm very happy that you decided to go for it. I really love that your parents were craving the atmosphere at home that you can become and you can do whatever you want. Because why not? Right. I think for everyone, everyone who's, who's listening to us, I think at least, uh, not once several times in our lives we were told, but we cannot. And we also, when we don't see people who could be our role models, like what you are telling you have pioneered that way. I think for many, you are a role model like for, for, from your, from your hometown, but also from on a global scale, I think for everyone who's listening to us and I know when I was uh checking your linkedin and um you have been working for big tech companies, Air BNB, Facebook and now Twitter, how did you land a job in these companies?

Uh And yeah, why, why did you decide to leave this company's gra thats, what was the main reason? What drove you? Right.

Yeah. Yeah. So I, I guess my, my first company was a Netapp which a lot of people don't know about Netapp. Netapp is a wonderful company. It's business to business, which is why people don't really talk about it. I think pop in a popular culture sense. Um because normal people like us don't use Netapp products, but businesses use Netapp and businesses um use Netapp products. And it was there that I really got involved in program management and kind of solidified to myself that I wanted to be in the technology industry. I was at Netapp for 4.5 years and I decided that I wanted something different. I wanted to go to a smaller company. At the time, I had a lot of friends at the Googles and the Facebooks and the apples and, and this sounds very petty and selfish. But I remember always thinking whenever we hang out, they can say I work at this company and people know exactly what it was, right? And I was in my mid twenties and I'm like, every time that I say where I work, it's like, what is that? And I hated it. I hated it. Right. So I decided, ok, I want to move to a new company. I want to be at a smaller company. The idea of being at a start up really, really excited me when I was at Netapp. It was almost 13,000 people around the world, which is a mid-sized company. Um But I had friends and colleagues who had worked at start ups and a lot of mentors of mine said you should work at a start up.

So I was like, ok, I need to work at a cool sounding start up like this really happened to me at 26. And so I started researching this online, what could this be? And at the time, Air BNB kept coming, I had never used an Air BNB but I heard about Air BNB. Um This was when at a time, Air BNB was still very, very small but it was making huge waves um from APR and coms perspective. It was the hottest start up in tech. Um and I went online and I typed in program management on their career page and they had one project manager job and I was a program manager, not a project manager, but I was like, let's just put my application in and I got very, very blessed. And I, and I think this is the lesson is that just put yourself out there because it turned out that of all the people who applied for my job. The reason why I was chosen according to my man management and people that were interviewing me was because I was the island of Misfit Toys.

I was the program manager who had been at a company for 4.5 years who in those 4.5 years had worked in marketing finance um Q A and engineering and my and my management and the people interviewing me, they were looking for someone who knew how to talk to different types of people.

And so looking back, I thought that I would never get the job. But now looking forward, I'm like, Oh, that was actually for me or someone like me, they were looking for someone who had all these crazy experiences. And even though I was in my mid to late twenties, I had been at one company for 4.5 years and I had moved, I, I had moved apartments every single year. Did you do

that? You wanted to actually look at brilliant.

If you want to tell the ancestors, your plan make them laugh. What happened was is that when I was at Netapp, they would have a layoff every single year and every year people would get laid off and I was not affected, but it was like, oh, well, you're moving to this department. So it wasn't this deliberate move. It was, people were moving me. Um And there were many nights where I was like, I feel like I don't have control over my career. I feel like other people at this company have control over my career. And so when I was applying for new jobs, it was very hard for me to brand myself. And there were a lot of jobs that I didn't get because people said things like we don't know where to place you. Are you an engineering person? Are you a marketing person? Are you a creative person? And I was like, I don't know, I just need a job, right? And then Air BNB embraced that about me. They were like, so we don't really know what you are, but we kind of like that and we need that. Right. Right. And I was like, cool. I like that too. Do this. Yeah. And when I was at Air B NBI had this amazing opportunity.

Um, again, it's luck and it's also being ready for the, for the job and I got to work on a lot of very interesting projects and programs because, because Air BNB was a start up, they allowed just anyone to be like you want to work on this. Let's go do this, right? Because we're very, very small and nimble and they had a huge diversity issue. There were people using Air BNB who are saying I'm being discriminated against because of the color of my skin, because of who I love because of where I'm from. And I got to be in the room and watch that go down and figure out how are we going to fix this? And I got to work with like policy and legal and compliance and trust and safety and cus and product. And so within my first year of Air B NBI had worked with every aspect of this company on an issue that I really enjoyed. And that's what I said, I am a freedom fighter. I think that I should claim that we should be working on things in engineering that say, hey, people are using our stuff for bad. Um And we need to check that and, and continue reminding people that our products are made for good. And so I was doing this work, um, in this very interesting space. And then Facebook called and offered me an opportunity to talk about what that could look like on, you know, international hate speech and privacy and, you know, regulatory stuff. And that sounded interesting.

So I left Air BNB but not because I didn't like it. I really enjoyed my experience at Air BNB. Everyone who knows me. I'm like Air BNB was the coolest place ever to work. But it was just that an opportunity came where I said that really sounds cool. Let's talk about it. And then I moved to Facebook and I was at Facebook for almost two years and literally um an opportunity came up and um I was approached and I was like, that sounds really cool. And what I loved about um Twitter was that currently at Twitter? I do a lot of privacy work specifically, but in the interview process and talking to my hiring manager and the team I said, but what are we trying to do? Like, what is it, what does it mean for Twitter to take a stand on privacy? Considering privacy is the currency of the internet. How is privacy also equity, right? How do we change the narrative around privacy and not make it this ugly thing? But really empower our users to really understand their rights in the privacy space and to understand why we have all these things on our platform. And I said that sounds really cool. So I think the lesson here as I'm being too long winded is that every time that I've moved to a different opportunity, it's because something sounded really, really cool where it was worth the jump.

I do not um, look at my career from this aspect of, well, I want more money or I want, you know, more management or I want more of this. I really look at my career of where I'm working is the stuff that I'm working on. Something that I'm really invested in like, oh, this is, this is something that I actually really care about. Right. Um And then number two, the manager I'm very big on that. Um is the person that will manage me. Can we build this phenomenal relationship? Because I do believe that managers can make or break your experience at a company? Yeah.

Right. Um You know, I, I was wondering, did you have any rejections like you really wanted to work? This company is, of course they are cool. And I think they, again the dream companies of many people who are listening to us and, but were there some companies that you did really want to get in? But you didn't and you were maybe even happy about it.

Yeah, I've been rejected from Twitter two times before I moved there. I was rejected from Facebook three times before I moved there. Um I've been rejected from Netflix. I think I was rejected from Apple. They just never got back to me. And I think that I think that the thing about it is everyone intent gets rejected, you're gonna get rejected more than you get accepted. That's how this works. I gonna put that out there. So I, I, and so when I was much younger, I would get very down in my feelings about it. But now that I'm older, I, I really say this is not the time considering that I, that I, I work at companies that four years ago, I was four or five years ago. I was, I was rejected to. So it wasn't the time, it wasn't the time for me to go there. Um Right. And so I always tell folks that what is for you will 100 and 10% be for you and you have to put yourself out there. But as you put yourself out there, people will say no to you.

But all of these people, I think sometimes we, we put people on pedestals and I always tell folks, please don't put me on a pedestal because I, I'm, I'm literally a human like I could, I could sit here all day and tell you every single time that I've been rejected. And the number is insane compared to the number of times that I've been accepted. Right? Um And so you will get rejected that's, that's really just part of life. Um, but when you get accepted, it all makes sense because you're supposed to be where you're supposed to be. And it sounds very cheesy and very fairy tale like, but it's very true. I,

I agree and I think some things don't happen for a reason. And as you said, for example, about Twitter, but now you understand that the experiences you had before have enriched you to get to the stage where you are and you are happy about what you're doing, right? And changing uh at the company and with the company, right? Yeah. Um I'm wondering who are your important mentors and sponsors who contributed towards your career growth?

Oh my gosh. Too many to name. But I will say I, I think, I think the better strategic question is how do I choose a manager or sponsor or? I'm sorry, this is really

cool. I think relevant.

Right. Right. So I have a lot, I, I'm not the person that believes having one mentor. That's the time I always tell people that especially as a woman and as a black woman, um I need mentors for different things. So I have mentors that just focus on this aspect of my life, right? And then I have mentors that more focus on the holistic. I definitely have a mentor that I really turn to when I'm talking about marriage and babies and career and you know, feeling guilty and like, how do I prioritize? That's a conversation that I have with this specific person because I feel, you know, we, we just have that kind of bond where she can be very candid. Um I had a wonderful conversation with a mentor, another mentor of mine yesterday, talking about um performance reviews and what do I want to convey and blah, blah, blah, right? Um And she's perfect for that. And so I think that number one, you should always have multiple mentors because they fit different as aspects of your life. Um I'm not very big on this whole asking people to be your mentor. I think it's very weird.

Can you be my mother? Can you marry me? Right. Number one, it happens naturally, right? Like you kind of fulfill this is the first word,

right? So I, so I definitely get those linkedin like keep my mentor word. I'm like, I don't even know how to respond to that. That's weird because it does come naturally. People don't just say I'm your mentor, it flows into it, right? Where you ask for help, the person gives you help, you come back the person through their action, respond to that comeback. And then six months later, you're like, oh, this person's my mentor, whether or not we use that language together, you're my mentor, right? Um And, and, and that's the advice that I would give is that mentors will come to you. You have to decide if you want to engage in that manner and some people are not mentors, some people are sponsors. I am much more of a sponsor to more people than I am a mentor, a mentorship relationship takes a lot of time. Right? But I always tell folks, there are a lot more people in my life who I don't know really well, but they're like, hey, what do you think about this? And I'm like, let's have a 30 minute call, blah, blah, blah. Who can I connect you with? Right. That's definitely more of a sponsorship relationship. But I do think that mentorships are a very magical relationship that should be built over time, right? Don't ask people, can you be my mentor? It's really weird.

Um But a sponsorship is someone where you're just going to them once a year for a very much like this is my question. I need an output. Uh Output. A mentor is someone where you're like, I have no clue what's going on, fix this. And they're the ones that are gonna really fuel into you. And I've been in tech for about 1010 years, uh old, 10 years. And so since I graduated from college, and I have literally just slowly and subtly kind of built my bag of mentors. So I have, I have lots of them, but it's not because I asked for them. It's because we met along the journey and we stayed in contact and I was like, oh yeah, so you're just gonna be part of this. You may not know it yet, but you're part of it.

This is beautiful. Um You know, when it comes to career branding, what is the best way to get started for some people in times of COVID? I know it has changed a lot but some pre principles might have stayed. So what is your view? What are your tips on this?

My best tip for career branding is to know yourself. First, I get really tired of people trying to build a career brand that is not authentically them. And this is why when you know yourself and it can be as simple as I want a part time job, it can be as simple as I work to make money so I can then go enjoy my life versus I work because I want to be a CEO those are two different career brands, right? So until you do your work to understand what I want out of life, not out of a career, what I want out of life, you really can't start building a career brand. And I've seen many times where people build these career brands and they're cute, but ultimately, they're fake and the fakeness of it will not help you in the end, right? The long term, short term game, you will win in the short term, you will not win in the long term. So that's the first thing because when you really understand what you want your career to look like, then you can build a brand that matches that. That's the first thing. The second thing I think that part of a brand is for you to understand how you work, right? Um So I always tell people I don't do well with micro managers. So my career brand is very anti micro manager and everybody knows that, right?

I could never build a strong career brand where I'm like, yes and my manager is there every single day and all the time because that's just not who I am. And I think that we use these very interesting terms like career branding and professional development and all that stuff means is you need to go figure out who you are and then come to work and tell me who you are because you're not gonna be happy at work if you don't know who you are, right?

So if you are like me where you don't like to be micromanaged, for example, if you have a micromanager, you're gonna hate your job. Well, but, but you haven't identified, I don't like my job because my manager is a micromanager. You just said, I don't like what's going on right now. For all we know you might like the work, you might like your colleagues, you might like the building, but you just can't stand this managerial relationship. So maybe you need to change managers or it's I hate my job because I hate what I'm doing. What do you wanna do? I don't know. That's not helpful to me. Right. Um, I had a really good friend of mine one day. She said the most amazing thing she said, when people come to me and ask me for advice on their career, I ask them, what do they want to do? And when they tell me, I don't know, my literal response is OK. So this is like we're in a car going somewhere and you've given me the GPS and I ask you, where are we going? And you say, I don't know, but I then why are we in the car? Right? So maybe the conversation is we should talk about how we can get you to figure out what you want to do, right? But you really have to do this internal work.

And I know that sounds again, very ethereal for you to have the best career and then therefore have the best career brand because your career brand is just an extension of your career, right? Like my career brand, I'm very candid. Everybody who works with me knows I am a freedom fighter. I will be the one in the room being like we talk about how this works with equity, how are we helping people's lives? Right? And that's part of my career brand, but it's really innately just who I am. I've just decided to make it into a career brand by saying this is my brand. But whether or not I had a brand or not, that would just innately be who I was. Right. So yeah, figure out who you are, figure out who you are, do the work.

It's what I'm observing that sometimes people are trying to become some someone there. Not because it's trendy because you should become a CEO as you said, I mean, like because it's like what is portrayed in media. So I think it's important to listen to your inner voice and, and figure out uh who you want to be and how you want to impact the world. Right? As you said, if I wouldn't be called calling this person uh like career branding, that would be part of me and regardless where I am what I do tech or not. Right. Right. Absolutely. Really cool. I love that. And I think this is like super important. Um Do you feel that COVID is teaching us to rediscover our authentic self, like self do like we have more time to actually dive in and do this tremendous work to, to, to rediscover our authentic selves.

Uh Yes and no, I think that for some people, it definitely is. I tell, I, I'm telling everyone that 2020 for me is the year of pause. Um So I'm so I'm using this this year to really do a lot of self reflection and self-worth. And like, what do I want to do in the next 2 to 3 years and who am I? And I, I, I'm really intentionally doing that because COVID has required us to sit down, right? But I also do want to make space and, and make sure people understand that if you d during this crazy pandemic, the fact that you have time to breathe is a privilege. And so as you are breathing, because many people don't have time to breathe. What the pandemic has also shown us is the amount of inequity in this world, right? And we're talking about essential workers. We're talking about parents who don't have jobs so they can stay at home. And um we're talking about people who don't have literal home structures where they can do school and work and home at the same time. And so I think this is also a year of gratitude and to figure out what are you grateful for? What are the blessings that you have been given in your life, whether you've worked for them or they've just come to you, right? Um But if you are in this privileged state of you actually have the mental capacity to be like, what's next?

This is the perfect time to do that because no one's doing anything else. So this is the perfect time to decide what is this career brand. And remember all a career brand is and people won't say this all a career brand is. You just saying this is my career brand and finishing the sentence because your career brand is you, right? So for example, if you are a listener, if you are an active listener at work, and you're really good at that, if you want that to be your career brand, then you need to put that on linkedin and be like, hey, my career brand, active listener, I'm the best at it. Boom, right? And now it's become a brand, right? So I think that people many times put all this effort into creating a brand and I'm very much like, just do what you normally do and just put career brand in front of it. That's your brand, right? And then think of ways on how you can monetize that and how you can receive more opportunities from that, right? I always tell folks we should all be in a state where you never have to look for a job again. And that's what a career brand does for you when you're at work, minding your own business.

And someone reaches out to you and says, hey, we have this opportunity and that's always been my goal in my career, which I was like, I'm tired of looking for jobs, looking for jobs is a lot of work. So I'm just gonna build this career brand. IE I'm gonna let everyone know I'm gonna publicize my accomplishments. I'm gonna tell people about what I do. I'm gonna meet a lot of people and get to know them. So then if things are open at other companies or other opportunities, instead of me having to scour the internet for them, they just give me a call. Um So that's what you should be thinking

about. I love that. That's absolutely beautiful and wise message to all of our participants. Thank you very much for this great chat, Lexi. And I think that we need to chat more than have you speak because I feel like it's not enough time. And yeah, and unfortunately, the time wasn't on our side, but I think that it's not about the the amount of time we had. It's about the message you sent out there. We touched so many important points. I think that I, I personally learned a lot from you. I I love your energy. It's always a pleasure to talk to you, like lots of wisdom from you and it's like very inspiring and, and recharging. So thank you very much. Keep doing what you're doing. I really love, love seeing you talk, love seeing you doing different interviews and learning more and more wisdom from you. Thank you very much for your time.

Yes, you as well. And thank you for building this wonderful, thank you. We

have a lot of questions please discuss. You can, can uh message them uh on, on, on,

we

didn't have time unfortunately for them. And yeah, next time. See you have a nice day. Bye. Bye bye. So thank you. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you very much for waiting for us for us and I saw all your nice comments and questions in the chat. Do you appreciate them? Please? Networking area is live. Uh Lexi, if you're still here, you can join too. Forgot to, to tell that to her because we wanted to finish it on the positive side. I always feel energized after talking with Lexi, she's truly inspiring. And um next in two weeks, I believe we are going to have another five side chat and we have our nomination and our, our, our categories uh running for awards open until 29th of October. So it's next until Thursday next week, I believe so. If you know a truly amazing phenomenal woman in tech, you can go ahead and nominate her if you consider yourself to be suitable for all. Don't hesitate and go nominate yourself and help us spread the word about the awards. Women tag Global Awards are going to happen on the third of December. And yeah, we are going to celebrate amazing women in tech out there because I know that they have done a lot throughout this year.

The year has been very challenging and um dynamic and hard for many of us. And I want us to take this moment of gratitude and to celebrate them. So feel free to uh we have provided the link in the pinned uh message you see here, sign up for the Vita Global Awards 2020 on top you see the link. Um Yes. So thank you very much for joining us. Thank you very much for your thinking comments. I do appreciate that and go. Please enjoy the networking. See you online.