All right, I'm gonna go ahead since uh you're here, I'll go ahead and get started. Um And hopefully others will show up today. Um Welcome to the Women Tech Global Network uh conference.It's a pleasure to speak with you and I hope that you're all having a wonderful time so far and it's hopefully about to get better right now. So thank you for attending is our new way of working, helping or hurting women. This is a great question right now and it couldn't be more timely for us to explore. So today, I'm gonna talk about the impact of the pandemic on workforce trends for women at work. I'm gonna answer gender related questions about work related risks for women. I'll discuss the failure to fit trend and its impact on women at work and the most important five steps every woman needs to take for seeded work. And then finally, we'll talk about how to control and eliminate risk factors for women in the workplace. So let's go ahead and get started with all that and just a quick introduction. Um My company works. Uh I'm the founder president and CEO and we provide solutions for a healthier workplace. And we have an ergonomic academy academy. We uh provide training on the science of ergonomics to corporations employees and professionals and I in business for about 28 years. I'm a physical therapist and board certified professional ergonomic.

And um some of the images are the highlights of my life and my career that is I have a second degree brown belt in jujitsu. I've been surf coast of California and uh all around the world uh for about 26 years and I have two beautiful standard poodles. Uh So I'm a poodle mama. How many of you are up a go ahead and chime in if you want? That makes my day. So, thank you so much. Now, in 2020 all experienced what a global pandemic is state and change a small um how this small microbe has affected humanity and the pandemic, however, did pick and choose its impact on some people greater than others that before our very eyes and this talk reflects how the pandemic has affected women, not just in America, but globally.

And my perspective is primarily America in particularly the United States. Now, recently, maybe you've heard this um 2021 was coined the year of the she session. I've been practicing that she session um due to the impact that COVID has on women. And by the end of this, this uh year women were unemployed. Uh excuse me, by the end of 2020 approximately 30% of women were unemployed and working women were disproportionately hit by COVID economic fallout. Um, and according, watched nearly 3 million women have dropped out of the labor force last and this year. So it's, it's tremendous impact. So most job loss was on the service side. And, um, there's some of you here just type in the chat if you know, someone who recently lost their job to, um, working in restaurants or hotels or food service on health care or teaching in education, you know, women are disproportionate in these low wage jobs if you know, some, you know, think about how the changes over the last 18 months have impacted them.

And I see some, some nice comments about your, your doggy. So, yep, good for you that they keep us out of trouble, don't they? So, you know, getting back to the impact of, uh, women and, uh, the pandemic there really is. It, it just showed clearly that there is no such thing as work life balance for women. And that working from home is, has been more disruptive for women, uh, especially for women with Children. Now I'm a poodle mama, but I've been able to work at my office. You see, behind me all year. Um, you know, when the struck, I had a remote ergonomics training, I was ready for business. Uh, and actually the last one of my best year ever had but me will were women in particular, with Children were really suffering burden of the household tax increase for women due to children's virtual learning. Um And my friends who have younger kids who were like, you know, how many remember, you know, algebra or geometry or even you know how to teach grammar in English to your kids uh when they're doing work. So, quite a challenge. Uh in addition to many other issues here, the pandemic and the she session, as pointed out the work family conflict dilemma and these include working beyond overtime hours.

So if you were helping your child at school, that didn't necessarily get you out of your uh work burdens for your employer, you may have had to work extra time to make up for the time while you were helping your kid on and off for several hours a day with school or making sure they were sitting in front of the laptop.

Um didn't get you out of your domestic burdens of cooking and grocery shopping and laundry and cleaning the house. Um And because of that, the benefits and the pay have been substantially reduced for women. Um And now obviously it showed that childcare and school systems don't meet the needs of working women. I mean, and this is something that was glaringly obvious to uh to all of us as time went on and in the news and all that. Uh So these are major issues that have come up. Now you can probably relate to what Melissa Gammell, a life size professional uh has stated here. She said in quote, I can only speak from my, from my perspective as a single mother with three kids at home virtual school. My work and keeping everyone on schedule has been especially challenging. She continues on to say the silver lining for me has been the lack of business travel, which has given me the chance to be with my kids every day. I traveled extensively for most of my career and missed out on a lot of milestones. So even with the exhausting level of activity in my house, I have welcomed the opportunity to engage my Children more. Now, remember I asked the question is, is our new way of working, helping or hurting us.

So there's this is a really critical statement because it's really hard to say whether it is. And that's the question I'm gonna keep asking you through the course of this. So, Melissa for millions of women, this position. But what it, what the pandemic really taught us is how to communicate more effectively where we have to fly all over or drive in the car to be with somebody we can online and stay put and be much more conservative in many ways with our time. So is there a plus side to work from home? What do you think? Let's continue to build on this and think about this question. So let's address the main issue here. The bottom line is women's health is suffering and I'll go into more uh details and it's important to recognize the physical and emotional exposures that women have experienced and also that have been often exacerbated by the pen. OK. Mentions it's different if you have like under five, right?

They don't sit on zoom you 24 7. No. Well, they may not sit on zoom but they do need you. So you had a, you had a baby during the pandemic. But your job gave uh your, your, my job gave my role away, got a new job and cared for the four year through, through goal setting in the community of women and thrive good for mindset is key. I think that's really, really important. You know, one thing I've learned is how powerful minar to balance all this stuff, all these stressors, you know, and superwoman, I've seen that quite a bit here. So, um let's look though at women's health, health uh work health issues because yes, while we are doing all these things uh underneath our skin, there's a lot going on. OK. And all of these are associated with stress. And so while it's maybe it's awesome that we can do these things, how are they impacting our us physically through um signs of high blood pressure, which is a silent symptom that you don't know you have unless you check it routinely, it's called hypertension, chronic pain, uh discomfort.

I can't tell you how many women as a physical therapist treated that kept their pain quiet for many years until it became unbearable. And then heart disease, which is the combination of factors of changes in the blood cholesterol, the high blood pressure, overweight, uh and so forth.

So, aside from the physical physical exposures is the stress that impacts our health. And listed here are the types uh that many women experience in the workplace. And just because we're physically in the workplace doesn't mean we're not experiencing anxiety, depression and low self esteem, feeling alienated, lack of sleep and other physical symptoms, like nausea and headaches. So even though these, this is from a study from uh 20 years ago, women in the literature uh and clinically are still experiencing these same things. I wanted to acknowledge Tanya's message that um she's thankful that her kids are older, but there was also keeping up with all their online commitments when activities pivoted, right? I mean, it it was very, very challenging and it wasn't like we had time to transition into it, right?

Um Now I want to show you something that's really, really important to understand about women. Uh and men, I mean, this, this, this uh Kassi model, Robert Kasi uh refers to job demand control model. And um job demands are psychological stressors. And so if you look at this, it's a two by two model. And so we have uh decision latitude. So your ability to make decisions and choices in your job. So if you have low control over decisions and you have um high job demands, like you have to do a lot of repetitive work, you have lot or for assistance. Um your manager and your supervisor looking at the shoulder, the, the um the your decision to for your job demands for psychological and physical stress. Cherry, the higher your decision, latitude like management or senior lab management. Um and the demands the the the easier have in adolescent stress it has for you. Stop it. That's my poodle. Hey, get back here. So um so the high demand, low control is of of and stress dog that yeah, the struggle is real. So it is now when it comes to musculoskeletal disorders and women, women who do the same as men often face a higher risk of musculoskeletal disorders primarily in the neck and the upper extremities.

Um And this is due to both, you know, gender uh biological differences as well as differences in the types of jobs and roles and activities that women play or women perform in the in uh at work. And that was noted by Julia Coates who is a, a well known researcher in this area. Now, what we're looking at here uh is um the number of days away from work and total injury, skeletal disorders by subtitle. And so the injury risk and loss time is very high for women in certain occupations. So, nursing assist, registered nurses, retail sales and maids and housekeeping cleaners. These are all um injury prone jobs where women work a majority of these roles. Um And so their exposure is quite high in these areas. Yeah, women are um very prone to musculoskeletal disorders and in a collaborative research study of over 56 studies by Ohio State, they found that at least women are at least two times as likely to develop a musculoskeletal disorder from biomechanical stressors. Now, those are exposures to exertional tasks, um repetitive task, po awkward postures and leaning, contact stress. And so we're going to talk about the impact of these exposures on women.

We want to keep in mind though that men and women are not created equal in terms of the predi predisposition to musculoskeletal problems. And in reality, women are have a significantly higher prevalence of 2 to 11 times higher than men. And this was documented by Delia Trista.

Now, one of the things that's interesting about this is that women will admit that they have discomfort uh more often than men and they'll also seek out help. So, uh thank you for attending Nicole. So um that means that they file claims more often that they are in those lower quadrant jobs of low demand of um high demand, low control. And uh so their exposures to physical stressors are much higher and therefore, they have a greater exposure to certain risk factors, especially those related to fine repetitive work. So women are more likely to experience carpal tunnel syndrome, which is injury to the wrist here where you get numbness and tingling in your hands, you lose your grip strength. They have higher prevalence of shoulder disorders, neck discomfort and also other wrist and hand problems.

But when it comes to men, they do more of the physical work. So it's their back and their knees that more likely will be uh aggravated. And this brings me to ergonomics. How many of you are familiar with ergonomics? If you've uh ever learned uh attended an ergonomics training, go ahead and type in the chat if you've been in ergonomics training or had an ergonomic evaluation. So if you're not familiar with it or you've heard the term, it's really important in understanding how um how women can work more effectively to reduce these physical and psychological and cognitive exposures we've talked about. So, ergonomic relationship between you and your work and that includes the tools and materials, you handle the tasks that you perform in the environment in which you perform it in and it is all about the fit of the work to you. So the better, the fit, happier, healthier and safe you will work. So, Nicole, you mentioned your work does ergonomic evaluations. That's excellent. Really important that you, you take the training and you have the evaluation because the percentage of women with ergonomic issues is much higher than men in these job categories, similar to what I reported on through the, the research in the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

So sales positions, nursing positions, cashiering teachers and most of these are due to the physiological differences that women experience like structural or skeletal. Just because you know, if you have a woman who is 5 ft one performing uh a physical demand task and you have a man performing the same task, it's likely going to have a higher impact on the female than the male. And that is because strength expended by women, um we have to exert more than men in the same task. So even though it's a £50 weight, we may exert beyond that just to achieve it, it so it could be easier for the male most likely than the female. The other differences are body size. Um So uh our height and our weight, our stature. So, um I talk about, you know, when we talk about ergonomics, we have to talk about the failure to fit. And so let's explore and maybe most of you probably have experienced the impact of failure to fit and it can lead to some significant safety and discomfort issues, but you may not have been mindful of it, you know, and I think this metaphor is great uh around the failure to fit women.

So when we look at um the various shapes and sizes of women, you know, it's obvious we all come in different sizes and shapes and our height can be positioned and our weight along a bell shaped curve. So when you see this bell shaped curve on this end is women that are petite or 5 ft tall or less, you know, 4 ft 11 4 ft 10, like Simone miles. And then on this side, you, you know, we have women and men uh that are very tall, 6 ft tall, 6 ft five are much taller. And then in the middle is around the 50th percentile or women between about 5 ft 4 to 5 ft six. Now we're just talking about height there. But when it comes to our, our girth and our, our weight and the distribution of body fat, it's much different for women. And so when you compare us uh women to men, and we look at these differences, it's very important to recognize that one size will never fit all. So if you work for an employer, um where you have, the employer has only only purchased one type of chair, um it's likely to not fit probably 60 to 70% of women. So this applies to your home office as well.

Most people don't know how the right fitting chair and desk for themselves. Um In addition, we can add keyboard and mouse to this also. So if we the same work equipment for this range of people, it's likely only to fit three or four. the uh the six represented here. So it's really important to understand that if you are a 5 ft female and you weigh 100 and £8 you use um for the 6 ft male, it's likely not gonna fit you and it may not even fit him. You know, this is a really important because it has a high impact on your uh safety and your health overall, we'll talk a little bit more about comics in a minute, but I want to show you in construction. It's even more obvious um that there is a failure to. So she construction women may face safety risks because personal protective equipment and clothing are often designed for the average sized man. Now, when you look at the statistics for women in construction, it's pretty low, maybe 800,000 to a million may be in those positions. If you know someone who works in construction, just go ahead and type it in the chat. Uh I, I personally don't know any uh women but I do see them on the front line, you know, our transportation departments, uh our gas electric departments, I do see them out on the roads.

Um And you know, they need to and here here statements for work in construction. Uh I'm a woman under 5 ft tall and I could tell you there isn't much p pe that's personal protective equipment that fits me properly. I've had many difficulties in providing my female workers with properly fitting p pe anywhere from women's fire retardant clothing to gloves, appropriate for the job. And when I first started and needed to wear a hard hat, I have to try three or four different models before finding one I was comfortable with. Now, this also applies to police and fire departments also where we see a lot more prevalent women. Um and the gear is, is very heavy, uh and significant as a woman has to be much stronger so that a man does to sometimes do these positions. Now, when it comes to gloves and boots, if the gloves don't fit, right. If they're too big, they're clumsy. You cannot do your job correctly and you may get your hands or fingers stuck in something or injure yourself. Um, if the hard hat falls off every time you look up because it's too big, then you may not need to, you know, you may need to use one hand to hold it on and others have, you know, said that women should wear AAA Man's two sizes smaller, which is ridiculous.

You know, the fact is, is that, um, manufacturers need to be aware that, oh, the, and that the failure to a significant repercussion on women's health and let's go into women and seated work because probably all those of you attending today probably are working some kind of seated work job, right?

So type in the chat if you work sitting. Ok. Now, as an A physical therapist for the last 30 years. One thing I know for sure is that chair isn't right. Then the ergonomics of the workstation will never be correct. And this is foundational to seeded work. So it's important, you understand the relationship between you, your chair, your desk and I know some of you put in the chat here that you do get training and education and ergonomics. But just because you get that, do you apply it? That's really where the rubber meets the road. So to application and changing your work practices and being mindful of how you're using your very easy to forget about how you're or how long you've been sitting or if you've adjusted things correctly or how long you've been keeping your hand on your mouse, all these things, may your health show you what I refer to is that this is an easy method.

It's a method sure to make sure that you're sitting correctly and using equipment correctly. So you're gonna be given, which is by adjusting your chair to neutral seated posture. That's where your head is with your shoulders, your shoulders are over, you are in line with your knees and your feet are on the floor. This is foundation of good sitting posture back, well, hips level with knees or hips slightly higher with your knees. And when you lean back uh against your chair that allows you to relax your back muscles. The second step is to adjust the keyboard and mouse to neutral wrist position, wrist and hand where your shoulder in line with your elbow and your wrist in line with your forearm. Now, this is neutral, seated posture. And so the next step is to make sure that my desk is uh is positioned at the correct, which is OK. So from my elbow height, that should be equal to my, my wrist height is equal to my keyboard and mouse position. Number four is set your monitor to seated eye height and visual comfort. So right across from you and then step five is every often is within your reach, which is elbow to fingertip, distance or elbow to third knuckle grasp. So your mouse, when you put your hand down to reach for your device, it should be right under your fingertips with your shoulder still in line with your trunk. Ok? So we're gonna look at some images here now to reflect these steps.

So again, feet firmly on the floor for step one, starting from feet on the floor level with the knees well supported arms close to the trunk, wrist and lie with the forearm, OK? Step one, two, your neutral wrists and hands for keyboard and mouse placement. So wrist in line with the forearm, keyboard and mouse right under your fingertips, either floating or using an armrest, you wanna avoid wrist extension postures. So the key mouse should be right underneath your fingertips. For step two have an adjustable workstation, then you will adjust it up or down to be equal to your seated elbow height. And you're monitored directly across from you when you work and stand the same thing. Keep your arms close to your trunk at a right angle. And uh the keyboard and mouse should be right under your fingertips as you approach your desk. OK. Step four is mo well, I have some uh some uh another image here so you can see it a little clearer. So monitor directly across from your standing eye height. Um if you could offload on your foot here and then desk height is elbow height and then keyboard and mouse or wrist and hand height, but always wrist in line with the forearm. And then if you are working in standing ladies, it says here that Sarah, you used the standing desk many years ago before it became popular and you were one of the first employees to have one in the business.

Your boss wanted to, but you still needed a stool for. Yeah, that's because you should not stand all day and it's important that you change. I like to say sit, stand, move and groove. Um And so you cycle around that. Um you should limit standing to no more than 40 minutes each time for a total of day if you do like to stand. So start with about 15 minutes and build up your time. See initially building up minutes and it suggested not to exceed uh three hours of total time per day. So, and then standing at work that if you experience discomfort or sensations of tingling or joint stiffness or an ache in your neck or back, then you wanna sit down. Ok. And the reality is you want to rotate. So sit, stand, move and groove. So you could do a 30 on 3030 on 30 sitting, 30 standing or 20 minutes. Uh stand, 40 minutes sit, um but never exceeding about 40 minutes of each posture. When you stand up, do a little bit of stretching or walk, um, et cetera. So the cycle should continue all the time and there are natural break inclinations to go to the restroom, to have something to eat, to get a drink to take, you know, just stretch your legs and combine those.

So I like to tell people before you go to uh like morning to your office or if you're working from home. Um Let's just assume a normal you would drive to work, you know. So you were sitting. So when you got to work, if you had a standing desk, you could leave it at standing in the morning for about 20 minutes. Um And then once you got oriented to your work day for the uh another 40 to 45 minutes stand again, or if you prefer to sit more so than stand before you went to lunch, stand back up for 1520 minutes leave your desk and standing and then when you get back to lunch, you're standing again and then sit after that for a little while until you're ready to go home.

Stand the last 30 minutes of the day and then when you come in in the morning, your desk is still in standing so you can time it and set it based on your natural inc uh natural break inclinations. Now, step four is monitor placement and this is all about your, your eye height and your visual comfort so that the the height should be set across from approximately across from your seated or standing eye height where where the cursor begins. Like I like to say the first line of type where the cursor begins. Now, if you're wearing vocals or glasses like this one in here, you're going to lower your screen and angle it up as to match the lower part of your uh bifocal reading lenses. OK? Uh And then you wanna sit center the keyboard and the monitor together. If you're using only one, if you're using two, wanna set the primary one that you look most often directly in front of you like I am right now and a secondary one often about a 30 degree Sarah, you ask a question, how do we deal with the problem of the height of laptop screen being too low in order to keep the keyboard right level?

So you must separate your keyboard from your mouse. Uh Excuse me, from your laptop. So you should use an external keyboard and mouse. And this is a big problem that many employees were sent home with the laptop and no other equipment. And what you have to do is you can raise your laptop up and get a separate keyboard and mouse that you put at the seated elbow height position that I just reviewed. Ok. So if you don't have a separate keyboard and mouse at home, ask your pick one up or if you can uh stipend it, uh you need an external, then elevate your two seated eye height. So that monitor is right across from your viewing uh position, had a neutral head over their shoulders. OK. Um Does that help answer your question? And then we wanna identify our near reach zones. So near retail is, is the proximity of elbow to finger and that's where you're gonna put your keyboard in your mouse from shoulder to fingertip. And that's where you'll put your secondary items, excuse me, extended, you put your coffee, your beverage. OK. This is that you have to lean in to reach for. So if you are using something frequently, don't put it in the extended, put it in the near reach zone and these are half circles around you. OK.

So when your arms are close to your body, this is the near reach zone and that's where your keyboard and should be take keyboard way into this here, the arm's reach and if they're like looking at a do put it down here where the keyboard is, that's wrong, then your neck is gonna be looking and that's a risk factor gestures.

So you wanna actually reverse them, put your doc here between the monitor and the keyboard because your, the, the visual angle is between your eye height and about 60 degrees below that. OK. Um Which is noted, let's see, we don't really show it here, but it's, it's this triangle area, same thing you triangle triangulation. All right. So th OK, thank you, sir for your question. Uh When the fit is not right, you have to correct. So, knowing what, you know, now, what can you change at home or in your office, women need ergonomics. Workplace women are 2 to 11 times more likely to experience a musculoskeletal disorder than a man. And at work, it's uh it's proven to be uh more common. And in my career as a professional ergonomic at PT I've evaluated far more women than men. I would say it's probably 85% women versus men, especially in the office. Now, the most common ergonomic change needed is the office chair and that's because of the failure to fit most employers. I'd say 95% of them do not buy petite chairs for women. Um And if, if they think they are getting a chair that adjusts, it likely won't adjust that small. So an employer based on that bell shaped curve needs to have chairs that support the fifth percentile on one end and the fifth percentile on the other end.

So the very petite large, so we need to have chairs that fit um large cap individuals up Joel that's most commonly needed is a keyboard and mouse placement or changed by bringing the keyboard proximal to the front edge and uh the design of the mouse. So maybe you have an alternative mouse. Here's a one that I use. It's called uh the, the and you see it, I can put my entire hand on it and it has a really so that uh it covers a lot of territory and I can just rest my and, and move the mouse from my shoulder, not from my wrist and hand where most people um engage with their mouse just like this.

You don't wanna lean on your wrist because the that moves is from the wrist forward into your hand. And so that results in repetitive motion here and excessive strain back here. Do you really want to um use a mouse that fits your whole hand and also that you can rest on and get some support from an armrest and move from your shoulder, not from your wrist. So we look at these very closely um when we do an ergonomic assessment to help people and that's whether we're doing it live remotely. Yeah, often need to change is the monitor and then the work are for for sit to stand. So Sarah, you had asked about this. Here's a great demonstration of separation of laptop on a laptop stand with the monitor at CED eye height and a uh external keyboard and mouse. This is the kind of scenario you wanna create for yourself as best as possible. Are you working from home or are you working um in and all? So you might ask your employer to see if you can purchase a laptop riser or stay and get an extra keyboard mouse from it. OK? Now, um we'll wrap this up and then we'll have some questions. So I wanna be mindful of early discomfort.

Um and ss you know, keep for you women out there that we do experience early warning signs, but we tend to ignore them um until they are much greater uh uh and more routine and something that starts intermittently at you think might go away or, or does go away when you stop task and um or over the weekend you don't experience it but you come back and then you start to feel it again.

E eventually it becomes more uh continuous. And so you wanna make sure that comfort doesn't persist and you that you do some self care. Um Now, at the end of this presentation, I have a couple of gifts for you guys for staying with me here. So self care uh strategies like stretching and moving are important. And I put in here 30 minutes for you to be mindful of that task, rotation, task interruption. So as we wrap up here, uh we have a couple of minutes for questions and I wanted to summarize now, you know, the impact of recent workforce trends uh for women at work and that there are specific work related risks for women to the neck, the upper extremities, uh 2 to 11 times greater for musculoskeletal injuries.

And that the failure to fit impacts women at work and can cause or lead to or aggravate discomfort that you might have and lead to injuries. And the most important five steps that you need to take for seated work by setting your chair to neutral seated posture, setting your keyboard and mouse to be in line with your wrist and hands and at your elbow height, making sure your desk is at the right height. And if it isn't at seated elbow height, and you have to raise yourself up to reach it, that you use a foot rest and then positioning your monitor within comfortable visual distance. So you don't have to change your posture like in because you can't see and that it's directly across from your eye height and then things are within your reach. So you don't have to overreach for your mouse and your keyboard and the best ways to manage and control risk factors for women in the office, we reviewed many of these today. So let me ask you the question. Does work from home help or hurt women? What do you think? So? I want you to put yes or no in the chat and I'll answer these questions while you're doing that. So, Sarah, you put, what about men's reluctance to see doctors or address health concerns?

I feel that is a very big general issue that can extend into this. It is, I mean, men definitely have these issues. They don't say anything. But um that's why the training and education is important so people can self correct. And then you ask um or not offer initiatives to other workers. Thank you for addressing more of the monitor concerns. You're welcome. Um You know, it's, you know, I think another speaker mentioned that right now, I've never seen more attention to mental health that I have in the last 18 months, which is great and employers having more empathy about these things. We'll see what happens as we transition. I think they're really overwhelmed between hybrid work, work from home and going back to the office right now. And they are kind of losing um insight about what, you know, our health and our ergonomic needs and so forth. But, but it's up to you as the worker to bring it forth as a safety concern and ask for help. So all of you mentioned um pretty much yes. Work from home helps or hurts women. So you think it, it helps women or it hurts women? Yeah, I mean, I think from what I presented today that it definitely hurts women. But on the other side, there have been some advantageous things that have happened for us being able to work from home and spend time with kids. Like Melissa said, I thought she nailed it.

So um let's see. Uh Hey, Pam, thanks for joining us here. Uh la Time you said yes and no, it gave me the flexibility to manage your life better, right? Doctor's appointments. But you can see the burden on women. I, I agree. It's, it's kind of a double edged sword, right? You know, um on one hand, you're working later, you're working harder, you're, you're multitasking, but also you could spend more time with your kids and prepare maybe a better dinner, you know. So it does definitely uh have some pros and cons and um Miriam, you said it, it hurts. Definitely. Ok. So, you know, for your time uh in attending, there's 14 of you here today. I really appreciate that. Um Please go over to my website at worksite international.com. I have a lot of resources for corporate uh individual people. You can download anything you like, but I'm featuring home and office Ergonomics guide for you, which features the five steps as well as uh do s and don't safe work practices and unsafe practices for you to be more mindful of and then if you're interested in buying equipment um for home, like uh let's see, Sarah, you might need a, a monitor, uh laptop riser or something.

You can download the ultimate buyer's guide to home and office furniture and accessories. What to buy, how to choose chairs, desk and accessories. Ok. So um there's two gifts for you all and I wanna thank you, don't let our new ways of working hurt you. Let us help you. I'm Alison Heller Ono, President Ceo of Works Side International. It's been a pleasure to work uh to present to you today and please connect with me at uh Facebook on uh at works side international.com and connect on linkedin under Alison Heller Ono. So Sarah, you can use books right now. That's a quick fix. You might see if there you can, if you're gonna continue to work from home uh that you get the right equipment for yourself from your employer, these things that, that the laptop or a separate keyboard mouse, 100 bucks for you, your employers like a bill for you. So any other questions here that I can answer for you ladies. You please uh friend me on linkedin and on Worksite International on Facebook. And I, I look forward to connecting with you and head on over to the website and download these uh two bonus uh resource guides for yourself. Thank you everybody and you have a wonderful day and be safe and enjoy the program, uh, women's tech, uh, global so much.

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